I must admit I am at a loss as to what the purpose of Lars Gules never-ending story in Minervanett is. Is it a book review? Is it an essay? Or is it just the ramblings of a man who has fallen in love with his own voice?
The good thing I suppose, is that Gule these days does not arm himself with PFLP bombs, but uses miles worth of ink dipped in sleeping potion or some other stupefacient.
Nevertheless, his latest philosophical work, appears to be a review of a book by Karin Abraham, Israel – when the peace movement disappeared.
Below, some choice excerpts skip jumping the worst of the rambling nonsense that lies between:
Most Israelis do not seem to want to give up anything at all, neither territories, privileges or the chauvinistic self-understanding. Not least therefore the road to peace between Israel and Palestine is long a distance away….
….Another matter is that many Israelis are fully aware that their state is built on stolen land. They must therefore inevitably, probably also sub-consciously (i.e. without developing any sweeping racial (biological) theories of supremacy) harbor ideas that they have a greater right to Palestine, than the Palestinians themselves. Such an attitude can only result in a position of supremacy in relation to the Palestinians. When on top of this, one operates as an occupying force, in contravention of International Law (West Bank and Gaza) with a resisting population, on which land Israel is carrying out a comprehensive colonization – in part with a religious argumentation which says that this is Jewish land where the Palestinians have no rights – it would have been remarkable if racist attitudes were not manifested in the treatment of Palestinians. In addition, the suppressive practice in itself would lead to the dehumanization of the Palestinians. This is something some Israelis, in particular within the peace movement also worry about, because it has caused a moral decay in the Israeli society….
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The right to take another people’s land.
In many ways my main argument against Abrahams – and the many Israelis – position, is illustrated in the final interview with A. B. Yehoshua. He is sometimes called Israel’s national author. Yehoshua is also a former activist in the peace movement. He explains to Abraham how the first Zionists before WWII saw their project: «We are 17 million Jews. In Palestine, there are 500 000 Arabs. The goal is Jewish state. The Arabs shall be our minority, of course with all rights (pages 81 – 82, italics by Gule). The grotesque in this statement seems to elude both Yehoshua or Abraham. No questions are asked.This is the core of the conflict. The Zionists thought they had the right to take over another people’s land. Of course, the Palestinians did not accept to be a minority in their own land, not least after how they had experiences the racist side of Zionism during the 1920′s and 30′s, with discrimination and boycott of Palestinian goods and Palestinian labour to be substituted with an exclusive policy that Jews should only trade with Jews and only employ Jewish labor
There are Israelis who are aware of this story, who see that Israel as a Jewish state is doomed to discriminate the country’s non-Jewish population, and who see that the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza will lead to an apartheid-like oppression of the Palestinians in these areas. This is a minority in Israel. Abraham refers to them as such, with some sympathy. They are often charged with treason against Jewish identity by other Israelis. This does not preclude that they are not right in their assertion that the Zionist project from its beginning until today, mainly has been characterized as a colonization project. The main aspect has been about exiling and oppressing one people to benefit another, whose main story of suffering also lies on another continent than what Palestine does…
…Moreover, she writes about Palestinian rockets against Israel: «More than 10 000 rockets, grenades and missiles have been fired from the Gaza strip against Israel the last 10 years (page 60). What has been included here? The number seems to include anything the Palestinians can throw across the border – from sticks and stones to rockets. Here we should have gotten reference to the origin sources so that we may check for ourselves what has been included in the tally. The Israeli statistic is not immediately credible, the way it is used for propaganda purposes. Abraham could have shared with us this insight by referring to the basis for this claim, which is elaborated by Israeli authorities….
Abraham writes the following about the background for the Jewish “flight” from Arab countries after 1948: «Lead by the Great Mufti in Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, a law is supposed to have been proposed, which entailed sanctions against Jews in Arabic countries in the form of voiding of citizenship, bank accounts and property (p. 70; italics by Gule.). This can only be said to be an important and controversial claim, but where is the documentation. We lack sources. And why does Abraham use this careful formulation: «… a law is supposed to have been proposed.»? Was it or was it not proposed? And how can the Arabic League propose laws in member countries? Something is not right here. Is this an Israeli propaganda myth?…
I fear for the academic soundness of an institution who hires such a verborrhagic lunatic as Gule.
Can you imagine the immense damage he can do from his perceived position of expertise? Can you at all comprehend how the University College of Oslo even tolerates this kind of dangerous poison served up quite shamelessly on a public debate forum, as if his opinions were sound and representative of anybody at all.
Gule, we must assume, is a lost case, but we should not silently tolerate that they University College of Oslo tolerates this from any of their employees. No matter how much they are postdoc students.
For the idiot and Jew hating Gule, here is information concerning the 1947 Draft Law of the Arab League that was designed to deny Jews of human rights, including citizenship and property.
http://www.justiceforjews.com/chrono_web.pdf
Palestinian and other Arab towns and buildings were built on land stolen from the Jews. Look at the Dome of the Rock. Built right on top of the Jewish Temple. Look at toilets in Jordan built with Jewish gravestones in the urinals. Look at the UN declaration in 1948 giving a big chunk of land to Israel, from the Mediterranean all the way to the River Jordan, as a Jewish homeland. That UN declaration makes the land legitimately Israel’s, and Jewish. What happened? Five Arab countries attacked newborn Israel in 1948, and Jordan captured east Jerusalem and the West Bank, and a cease fire was imposed on Israel before it could get that land back. Britain took over, and ceded that land to the Hashemite pretender kingdom of Jordan. Jordan gave it to the Palestinians. But it was stolen in the first place from the Jews. Cut the big lies. Antisemites deny the long 4,000 year ties of Jews to the land of Israel. How about the thousands of hectares in Israel bought by Jews from Arab absentee landlords. Are those also stolen Palestinian lands? Palestine was so sparsely populated and full of swamps and mosquitoes, that it was a wasteland. Jews came in the 19th century, and joined Jews already there. They made the land blossom, and created industry. That attracted Arabs who sought jobs and prosperity from Jewish enterprise. They moved into Palestine to work for Jews. That made them Palestinians and the land theirs? The land promised to the Jews by the Balfour declaration was actually stolen from the Jews by Britain. Most of the Palestinians who fled Palestine in 1948, left of their own accord because the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem told them to leave so the slaughter of Jews could take place, and they’d be able to return victorious to a land free of Jews. I’m sick of the hypocrisy and big lies that reverse the truth. Israel wants peace, but it requires security and recognition as a Jewish state as provided for by the UN in 1948. If they got that from the Arabs, there’d be peace in a few months. But Fatah and Hamas charters still state in writing that Jews must be kicked out and Israel destroyed. So who’s blocking peace? Why Israel of course. The big lies continue.
The level of ignorance appears astonishing. The other possibility is that Lars Gule is a pure bred anti-Semite.
Let’s go back to the roots of Zionism. Although people tend to recognize better the ideological zionism of Hertzl, the real push to move to Palestine grew in the extreme oppression of the Jews in Eastern Europe (where the wast majority of Jews lived). The eastern Jews simply fled the pogroms for their lives. The wast majority of them ended up in the US etc and only a very small proportion in Palestine.
The wast majority of Jews ending up in Palestine were simply refugees that, because of zionist ideology, wanted to start over in Palestine. Remember that, at the start of WW2, only less than 3% of worlds Jewish population lived in Palestine (when a big boost even to that number came from Hitlers rise to power). Zionism was not an attractive ideology for the Jews. Jews started to understand the true meaning of Zionism only after WW2 and not because Hertzl’s writings but because of European behavior.
Whose land was it? Arabs owned lands in Palestine and Jews owned lands there as well. Jews bought more lands from arabs and they willingly sold it for extremely high price. But here we are only talking about land that was owned by somebody. The wast majority of land was not owned by anybody (or even inhabited for that matter). The ruler (Ottoman empire and the British government) were the lords of that land. The ownership was then forwarded to the successive Israeli government. About 60% of Israel’s land mass is in the south (including Negev desert). The palestinians never lived there! Jews did.
The Zionists were not allowed to employ Arabs. That was not because of racism but rather the opposite. Baron Rothshild was ready to by the Jews lands only on condition that they would work there by themselves and not as feudal rulers. Was it Arab land in general? There has always been Jewish population in Palestine and before the Romans started to call it such. Somehow the reference point is always set at 1882 when the Jewish population was at its weakest due to natural catastrophes and serious epidemics. As an example study the history of Zafed.
Prof.!
As we all note (in perplexion) Gule has a raving interest in the destiny of palestinians in Israel. It is strange that he is oblivious to their miserable destiny in the rest of the Middle East – and so blind to their prospering options and integration in Israel.
Gule is not, however,only interested in palestinians. He has a wide range of interests and is an expert on a completely different issue, namely Brit-Mila. To give a more fair picture of Gule, it may be noted that Gule is also an expert on, and one of the most rabid and fierce propagandists for, a Norwegian law prohibiting Brit-Mila.
EricD:
1. Why is the draft law drawn up by the Political Committee of the Arab League presented here in English old typewriting? The original document must surely be written in Arabic.
2. And why did the Arab League draft such a law in 1947? They were arguing just like the Zionist, i.e. saying that all Jews should belong to the Jewish state.
3. Was this draft law presented to the Arab League as such?
4. Was it adopted?
5. And finally, was it ever adopted by any of the member states?
These are important questions to answer in order to say something intelligent about this «proposal».
But it is nice that you have found more information about this matter than Karin Abraham has in her book.
Arnold Handelman belongs obviously to those who think that what happened 2 000 years ago is of the same historical, political and moral importance and relevance TODAY as is what happened 50 years ago or yesterday.
This is what is sheer idiocy, because there is no reason to stop 2 000 years ago. And then we can read in the Bible how the Hebrews invaded Palestine (Canaan), murder the inhabitants and stole their land.
And we could look at a lot of other places and say that we have to support the reconquest of Australia on behalf of the aborigines, the reconquest of America on behalf of the red Indians etc., etc. If one is not able to distinguish between political wrongs committed recently – AND AFTER THE ESTABLISHMENT OF INTERNATIONAL LAW THAT MAKES THESE WRONGS BREACHES OF INTERNATIONAL LAW – then the world would be a total madhouse.
The rest of your incredible stupid ratings about the Palestinians «leaving» (when they where ethnically cleansed) is on the same level as Antisemitic Holocaust denial. There is not one shred of evidence for your vulgar claim.
Finally, I would be more than happy if McGonagall would make a complaint to Oslo and Akershus University College of Applied Sciences about my writings. Please do so. And why not include the police as well.
Lars Gule
There is no law against stupidity and also not against raving narcissism. I think there is no help for a person as removed from sanity as you, but one may appeal to the universities to not allow you to howl to the moon on their salary.
I really don’t think we can expect anything but inane and incoherent rambling from this damaged person. But we can, and should apply pressure on the University College to let them know that they are dangerously near that line nobody wants to overstep.
Gule is a narcissist, let him howl, but not on public money
Dear Lars Gule,
It seems to me that it is always the radical, anti-Semitic left that is unable to cope with the international law. We can start from the League of Nations, that was the epitome of international law decided to create a Jewish home in Palestine. Subsequently, the UN first decided to divide the land to Jewish and Arab countries. Israel was also accepted as a member of the UN as a peace loving country. Based on the international law Israel is a very well recognized entity.
You can naturally argue that Israel attacked the neighboring Arab countries in 1948. Frankly, I don’t have time for that level of ignorance. Similarly, the ethnic cleansing was done by the Arabs. Of the 800,000 Jews living in the Arab countries, less than 10,000 Jews (about 1%) are left in those countries. Of the 1,2 million Arabs living in the Palestine Mandate in 1948 (i.e. after Jordan was separated from it), 5.8 million live in that area today.
So it is not about who lived in Palestine 2,000 years ago. It’s about who lives there today. It’s going to stay that way until the next conqueror comes around. So keep trying. Just don’t whine when things don’t go your way.
I am not averse to using strong language myself, when I encounter ignorance and stupidity. BUT WHEN I USE SUCH LANGUAGE I AT LEAST TRY TO EXPLAIN THE IGNORANCE AND STUPIDITY OF THE OTHER SIDE, and present some arguments and examples. Which actually can be seen in debate following my book essay that you are referring to initially.
In the postings above there is NOTHING. Only abuse. THAT’S stupid. And ignorant.
I can only say: Read a book. Start with Encyclopedia Britannica and then move on to some Israeli historians (not sheer propagandists).
Then come back with some ARGUMENTS.
To claim that one has to be an expert on Brit Mila before one opposes the practice is like saying you need to know everything there is to know before opposing female genital mutilation. And to call arguments against circumcision of boys «rabid» without any examples at all of this alleged rabidness is plain stupid.
Anything else worth commenting on in the above postings? No, absolutely nothing.
Lars Gule
Gule,
You apparently became so unglued that you said things that were well beyond the scope of my remark. Get a grip!
As to the draft agreement, it was referred to in the NY Times on May 16, 1948, in an article that referred to a:
“Text of a law drafted by the Political Committee of the Arab League which was intended to govern the legal status of Jewish residents of Arab League countries.”
Why should anyone trust you over the NY Times from 1948?
Is it really true that you were trained by Israel haters and then tried to bomb a hotel and kill Israelis/Jews?
And you call yourself a humanist?
In any event, the typed document was discovered affixed to a January 19, 1948 Memorandum submitted by the World Jewish Congress to the UN Economic and Social Council. It was procedurally buried in the subsequent months.
I should note that Arab League regulations required each state be represented in each Committee. On February 17, 1948, the League approved a plan for political, military, and economic measures to be taken in response to the Palestine crisis. (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/legsess.html) One report stated that: The Council of the Arab League unanimously adopted the recommendations of its Political Committee concerning Palestine…” (International Organization. Vol.2. No.2., June 1948. 378-380).
The Arab collusion is also seen from the subsequent and similar actions taken in the various league states, amounting to ethnic cleansing of virtually an entire population.
Your claim that ALL Arabs were ethnically cleansed by Israel flies in the face of reality and further exposes the hatred in your heart. I understand that the Arab Higher Council actually coerced people into leaving. And last I looked, Israel was 20% Arab! Could you kindly tell us how many Jews like in Arab lands?
You speak of international law, yet excuse the Arab aggression in 1947, directly in violation of the UN Charter! You also seem blind to the hatred and incitement of the Mufti, before and after WWII.
In 2005, your own organization, IHEU, was accused by the OIC of Islamophobia for standing up for free expression and condemning the religious dimension of much human rights abuse, particularly for women and children. It stated:
“The Islamic States do have a problem: they are stuck in a time-warp of outdated beliefs enforced by rigid and often barbaric laws. Because they cannot challenge our facts they are obliged to resort to intimidation and abuse of the messenger. They speak of ‘initiating dialogue between civilizations’. But no dialogue will be possible until they face up to the fact that Muslim terrorists are killing innocent people in the name of Islam.”
I could go on. However, as I see it, nothing will remove your bigotry and extremism. You disservice liberals everywhere as you wraps yourself in the clothes of human rights while helping those that serially deny such rights and who call for genocide.
Well done!
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Lars, if you were considered to be a person worth taking seriously, I think you would find people who would invest time in debating with you. However, most people know that entering a discussion with somebody who is not of entire sound mental health, is a waste of time. And most people also know, that whilst you can recover lost money, lost time is irrefutably lost. Maybe people here are capable of making that cost benefit analysis, and take your ramblings for what they are, the product of an incoherent mind.
You should also not forget that this site dedicates itself to showing outsiders what passes for polite parlance in Norway when it comes to Israel and the Jews. Many of the readers here simply take note of what goes on in Norway and how the Norwegian establishment tolerates the intolerable. I don’t think many of the readers here will lose a night’s sleep because of you, but they will certainly be able to get an educated opinion on what kind of academic institutions we have, that continue to have people like you on their payroll.
But you are of course free to continue to make a fool of yourself here, but please make sure to do so on your own time and your own private mail. I am not sure that the University College of Oslo would be happy to know that their institution is being misused.
Prof, I am delighted that Herr Gule is rattles and shaking his cage. It must be extremely difficult to reason an arguement with this dreg, due to his extreme (i use this word again) ignorance and hatred of the Jews. There is more than enough historical documentation regarding the history of this land. Unfortunately, Gule is not interested in fact, nor in decency.
I would suggest to this person that he should try to read real historical evidence. But of course, that woul be a total waste of time. Millions of refugees were settled after World War II around the world. From Europe, north Africa, Asia, South East Asia. But of course Gule is uninterested in historical evidence or rights.
Of course, if China was not Communist, he might (?) even direct his anger towards that country’s invasion and empirical takeover of Tibet. He could even take up the cause of the Kurds. No, he is only interested in the case of the Jewish state of Israel.
The only ethnic cleansing and outright murder has been that of the Arabs. Mainly of Moslems against Molems, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Pagans, Druse etc. The Arabs were called upon by their leaders to leave so as not to be in the way of the expected mass slaughter of the Jewish people when the neighbouring countries invaded the newly formed State of Israel. But of course, Gule knows this and is probably most upset that the owners of mid east black gold never won. even with the direct help of Britain, the invading Arab armies lost. What makes matters worse is the idea that the Jews (upon whom the Arabs look down upon) actuallt won against all odds. Poor Gule, never mind, please keep up your ignorant tirade against Israel, it makes us feel so superior in knowing our cause is just.
Just one question Mr GUle. Just how many Israelis/Jews did you personally hjope to murder when you were caught? How upset you must have been. But of course, you never had the courage to commit murder yourself. No, you used others to carry out your wishes. What a poor excuse for humanity you are.
Congratulations to Eric D. and all those who put this sob pos lowlife brownshirt pseudo-academic bigot in his well-deserved place.
Gábor Fränkl
Budapest, Hungary
If we accept Ghoul’s (spelling error intentional) definition of occupation eg All of Israel is on occupied Palestinian land -leaving aside from the fact that there never was an independent country called Palestine and there’s no cultural/religious/ethnic/linguistic difference between a “Palestinian” and a Jordanian etc and that “Palestine” actually sits (literally) on occupied Judea etc etc- then by the same logic Turkey is occuping Greek, Armenian and Kurdish and Cypriotland, Iraq is occupied Kurdish and Assyrian land, Tunisia, Libya etc are occuping Berber land, and Morroco occupies Western Sahara. Not to mention the occupation of Kurdistan by Iran. If he is not equally outraged by these occupations then he is therefore not being intellectually or politically honest. He therefore has an anti-Jewish agenda. Since I’ve just proved he’s anti_Jewish why would I listen to him at all?
Thanks Gabor! Feel free to drop in to my blog anytime, and any others for that matter. It’s a work in progress and hopefully will develop into something useful.
Dear Lars Gule,
Reading books is absolutely the right way to go. Encyclopedia Britannica is a wonderful source for a lot of things, but it is not an original research on the Israel-Palestinian conflict. It is interesting that you would take up some Israeli historians that, according to you, are not propagandists. Who in your mind would be such a historian (as such an ambiguous title)?
All the so called “new historians”, such as Ilan Pappe, Avi Shlaim, Benny Morris etc. are, as you characterized them, propagandists. They all have a track record of extensive political activism. It is very difficult to produce balanced SCIENCE when you have an agenda. You see, in science you take ALL the evidence and deal with its value using a validated methodology. You DON’T decide the outcome up front and accept only evidence that supports your thesis.
All those Israeli historians that are not involved in political activism are never invited to speak in the Norwegian universities. Why? Because you don’t want to hear what they have to say. Funny enough, you never hear about all these Israeli historians that you characterize as propagandists (unless you meant Pappe & co). You can’t even name them, because you never read anything they wrote.
So, if you think that I can’t read the map when it comes to analyzing evidence, I’m quite confident that my academic record (regardless of the area of specialization) is sufficient indeed to derail that incentive.
I am not sure if your blog details show properly, so I take the liberty of adding it here oldschooltwentysix.blogspot.com/
Let me know if I can be helpful in any way.
Hmm, We all know Godwins law of internet debates right? The first to invoke “Hitler” or “Nazi” in an argument has automatically made the whole debacle null and void of any value as an intelligent exchange of ideas, concept and meaning.
Now that Law has a corollary to that law states that the first to question the sanity of the opponent in a discussion accomplishes the same.
It seems to me a lot of the usual suspects on this page is all to happy to destroy any fruitfull discussion in this way. Which is sad, since it devalues the whole idea behind the blog.
Stefan, I had a look at the original article at Minervanett.no .
There are 83 talkbacks, of which Gule has written well over half. He either writes long and incomprehensible essays of 1500 words or so, essentially making up history as he sees fit and otherwise bores you to death with his inability to be precise and concise. Alternatively, he calls his critics mass-murderers or other such elegant ways of exchanging opinion.
Truth to be told, I don’t think there is a cure for Gule, but it should be much more interesting to know why the University College of Oslo will hire a person who in a public debate will make wild claims that even a preschool child would know to be fairytales, and who then goes on to use the worst kind of verbal abuse of his detractors. Not very elegant for an institution that in its strategy document aims to achieve university status that would
Further, in its vision document, it aims to
Rather than trying to restrain a raving lunatic, maybe it is far more efficient to discuss this with the University College. I am sure they would not be happy to have the attention of other and far more advanced academic institutions, while they continue to tolerate the intolerable.
I have not read the comments. So please excuse me if I repeat some of the arguments. There is no need to beat about the bush. There are all kinds of grounds upon which Israeli Jews have established a claim on their territory, and they range from reasons of history, of hard work, of immigration, of law, of war.
If by purchase of lands and development of previously swamps and arid areas into a thriving economy that can actually sustain its inhabitants, then the Jews did that.
If by conquest, then the Israelis, having been attacked in 1947, succeeded in defending themselves and conquered the land fair and square.
If by historical attachment, then Israel is the Jewish homeland something that even Spinoza, in the 17th century, recognized without any reservation. Jews have been indigenous to the Middle East long before the Arabs claimed it.
If by law, then Israelis can authoritatively claim that they gained their statehood through the consent and support of the international community, through legally-binding treaties and agreements in the League of Nations, which encouraged Jewish immigration into Mandate Palestine, and later undertaken for the same purpose by the UN.
Israel’s legitimacy is doubly manifest in the decency and fairness of its democratic ethos, that endows equality before the law to all of its citizens. No Palestinian has ever agreed to a similar arrangement with Jewish minorities in their state.
If none of the above can convince Lars Gule, then we are dealing with a person who is deliberately erasing large parts of the picture because he does not like what they tell him. We are no longer dealing with an opinion but with a prejudice.
I would usually be much more careful with how I approach other peoples opinions, but with regards to Lars Gule, I simply have no respect. True, anybody can question my sanity (and I am sure that there are many who do), but at some point you just have to draw the line and say, this was the line that could not be overstepped.
I sincerely believe that Gule is beyond repair, and I sincerely believe that it is not in the interest of the University College to continue to let him run loose, not only is he offensive, but very much uses his position as an academic to question the validity of the State of Israel or even the integrity of the Jewish people, both of which fall under the working definition of anti-Semitism of the EU. We do not have to tolerate that, not on state money.
If somebody does not like what I write here, that is just fine by me. My conscience is clean as I do not pretend to represent anybody but myself, nor do I take salaries from state institutions to fund whatever I write.
What’s frightening about Gule is not his ignorance or his manipulative use of facts, but the fact that he and others like him had managed to influence so many people in this country. Many Norwegians actually BELIVE the “Palestinian fairytale”.
In 3 days it will be 9th November – Kristallnacht. This date marks the start of the systematic extermination of the European Jews for 73 years ago. But this event did not happened just like that without preparation of the public opinion. Years of anti-Jewish propaganda made the Germans and others believe the “Nazi-fairytale” about the Jews.
So Lars Gule is not the first one to to manipulate facts in order to promote hate of Jews. His Nazi predecessors would have been proud of him, and for his Arab friends (and relatives) he is probably a hero.
Mr. Gule:
You are a vile Nazi scumbag, a sub-human. I guess you are sorry that you missed your opportunity to be alive 70 years ago to throw Jews in ovens, so you are hoping your beloved Pali-Nazis finish the job for you.
Well, here’s a lesson for you, Herr Gule – Israel is believed to sit on as many as 400 nuclear weapons. And if she goes down, she will take your miserable excuse for a continents down with her. Your major cities will be obliterated – turned to nuclear craters.
Stuff that in your Nazi pipe and smoke it.
While I fully agree that Gule is a nasty piece of work, I don’t quite see how Israel would fire any of its supposed (?) a-bombs at Norway. What for? For harboring people like Gule in our midst? I rather suspect they are falling over themselves laughing, in Israel, or at least affording themselves a satisfactory grin, Mr. Gule does nothing but prove the suspicion that Norwegian academic institutions have a too lax attitude towards anti-Israel and anti-Semitic garbage. In stark contrast, that idiotic Julio Pino, got his mugshot published around the world, and the president of the Kent State University issued a statement condemning the shameful outburst
No matter how much Mr. Pino calls on the First Amendment right for free speech, people around the world will now associate Kent State University with unbridled hatred, so a tremendous blow to the credibility and good name of the institution.
It would have been nice if the Chancellor of the University College of Oslo Kari Toverud Jensen, would take steps to condemn Gule’s equally disturbing rants.
There is just too much consensus among the Norwegian intelligentsia. Israel, with those Jews, is evil. Palestine is virtue. Thus, virtual silence is heard when the latter does what it generally does, violate human rights. Then they condescendingly lecture others about what human rights mean. Orwell could not find a better illustration.
McG:
If Israel is destroyed, the no-so-dirty little secret is that she will take all her enemies down with her, and after exterminating 6 million Jews, then helping the Islamists to kill 6 million more, most in Israel consider Europe to be an enemy. (I can tell you that my relatives in Israel think that way.)
This comes from no less an authority than Martin vanCreveld, the Dutch-born Israeli historian, who has good connections with the Israeli military.
The Israeli view is that a world that allows a second Holocaust does not deserve to exist. And they are right. If it happened, I would be ready to die in such a scenario.
As for Kent State, it will always be associated with what happened there in 1970. And the dirty little secret there is that the protesters DID fire first at the National Guard.
Gabor, nice to see you again with your name. Missed your contents. Yes, Eric did hit the right note, and Eric, the ghoul was caught with material to be used against the Jews. As I type above. He lacked the courage to do the deed himself, as he was only caught carrying and planned the mureder of Jews by others. What a spineless, cowardly bag of useless dirt he is. He was too frightened of facing an armed Jews who might shoot him first. A pity that he was not caught in Israel. Still, that would have taken a minute amount of courage. Perhaps he should have drank some Akvavit first. What a hopless jerk he is, and I believe my description of the ghoul is actually quite modest.
P. C.
Is national ha-Satanism fine with you?
what is national ha-Satanism? P.C is entitled to his view, and he has a point, if all we do in a debate is to whack the opponent across his head with 4 letter words, there is not much of a debate to be had.
But I also don’t believe in turning your other cheek so much and so often that you’re always sore. Sometimes it is very healthy to react with visceral anger.
McG.
National ha-Satanism? The present being of Norway.
I do not disagree with P. C. That is why I introduced this notion.
Hm, I am still nonplussed, I have never heard this expression before, but then again, I am a little slow to cotton on to things. I know that Norway is in turmoil, lots of turf wars being fought simultaneously, the official narrative under questioning with all the emotional baggage this signifies.
McGonagall
Maybe I was too creative in describing the complaining and
accusating character of the Norwegian people.
Will norwegianness or norwegianism suffice?
I do not believe Norway is in turmoil.
However, it will become the state of the nation when it
has to decide what to do with the jews.
PC, I understand your comments about the first to call others Nazi etc. The point is, inso far as the ghoul is concerned, as an ultra vile leftwinger, he believes that Israel is Nazi. His own kind continually use that trash in describing (among other things) the state of Israel.
There really is no difference between the ultra left and the ultra right. Both view Jews and Israel with the utmost hatred. Really, from Marx to Lenin, to Mussolini, to Hitler to Brezhnev and so one, just what difference is there?
In fact look at the disgraced EU. What started as a trade agreement is now paving the way for a German dominated state of europe. I forecasted that in Holland back in the late 80′s and said beware. What Kaiser Bill and Hitler failed to do, this new Germany will achieve. The EU is unable to close its monetary accounts. It runs shod over countries that failk to agree to German demands with the French poodle following on. Virtually all the heads of State in Europe are ex (?) Communists, i.e. Maoists, Leninists, Stalinists. Merkel was in the Communist East German Government, sao what does that tell you? Does the tiger lose its stripes? Does it turn into a Zebra? Of course not. For that reason Europe is in turmoil, being dicted to by those with a far left political agenda. Will Norway follow suit? After all, most of its leaders would be considered far l to extreme left, judging by the hatred towards Israel and total antipathy towards the Jewish citizens.
Look PC, I’m not sure how long you’ve been viewing NIJ, so therefore, please excuse me if you have read this before (which I have written a fair number of times now)
What is the difference between the far left neo fascist International Socialisms hatred of Israel and the far right neo Nazi National Socialism hatred of the Jews?
Answer; Inter……
Eric, I have mentioned Shimshon (Samson) in the bible and the Gaza syndrome, when he destroted the temple killing thousands as weill as himself. Israel has indeed warned the west that is she goes, there will not be any oil in the mid east to use. I notice in the wetsern news media by the way that Israel is continually being shown as the new aggressor against Iran and pushing for an armed strike.
You see Prof, I am sure you read Debka and other intelligenc esites to know that Saudi Arabia and many gulf states pushed Obama to strike iran, but he refused. From what I read, the Arab states would allow Israeli flights over their territory to strike Iran, thereby negating the need to fly over Iraq (which Obama would not allow – remember?) I have yet to see this in the media here. I am sure this information is spiked at the start.
Happy hunting, wish I had the ghould and others like him in my sights. I would not think twice about it…….
I expounded on this at my blog here:
http://oldschooltwentysix.blogspot.com/2011/11/response-to-lars-gule.html
Harry’s Place shows that Jews get it from all sides.
http://hurryupharry.org/2011/11/05/oh-those-wacky-oxford-tories/
Counter demonization is not going to do the trick. There must be a way in which the decency of Norwegians can be accessed and stirred towards a better understanding of Israel’s Hobson’s choices, without assuming the same methodology that Israel haters do.
I agree there is too much demonization on both sides.
I commend the following by Dershowitz to readers about Atzmon, Mearsheimer and Falk:
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/97030/atzmon-wandering-who-anti-semitism-israel?page=0,1&id=urIiz0QQYvo5CZ1DZ9w8q1pYJOZBFEIEoLAYwyuZtPyJw%2FoswglJ3QWwa%20kyByT1
Forgot to add what ties it to the thread.
Has Gule opined about Atzmon?
Anonym soldat
Easy now, soldier!
He lives whithin firing range.
The anon letter was from me. due to my laptop playing up, it did not register my name.
Quite frankly, I wish he was in firing range. I’d like to see the whites of this coward’s eyes. After all, he plays the game. I only supplies, I didn;t shoot. what a worthless piece of drittsekk. Yes, Gule, I mean you. In the UK, the blackshirts received a good beating from the Jews after WWII, when they marched thru Jewish inhabited areas. The Norsk Jews should practise the same. Do unto others after all is a good Christian saying, Unlike the Jewish one, Do not do unto others that which you find offensive.
Professor
Did you McGonnagoogle an epic slingshot?
Hei!
Jeg beklager, professor. Dette var kanskje litt i overkant.
Jeg skal slutte å behandle McGonagall slik.
Allervennligst, Niels Peter
du kan få lov til å tulle med meg så mye du vil, jeg har for lengst funnet ut at det er kort vei fra å a seg selv altfor alvorlig til å faktisk gå på snørra og ende opp som ufrivillig klovn.
Martin
We have a situation.
I tried to work magic on McGonagall, but ended up giving my
name to “Ghoul”.
Allervennligst, Niels Peter
What at pathetic bunch of … nobodies.
Writing about how they would like to shoot me, beat me up, etc. And then posting ANONYMOUSLY?! And some of you idiots are writing about the cowardice of others. This is just laughable.
Even your invectives are pitiable, on the level of a six year old who has learned the swearwords for the first time. And your knowledge of the conflict in Palestine is even on a more ignorant and childish level.
Lars Gule
PS: Og Niels Peter, nå kommer jeg og tar deg – BØ!
Ab, I have a confession to make her regarding the ghoul and all other leftwing and right wing haters of the Jews, Zioinsm and Israel. I actually have some sympathy for the. Not empathy, but sympathy.
I have never hated a country, religion, culture, or even individuals. I still don’t. Even those Nazi collaboraters in Holland and their German masters who took my family off to the death camps. I cannot forgive them (I have been asked) because I do not consider that is for me to do. The only people who can or decline to forgive, are those who were brutally murdered, and/or the survivors from the death camps.
Back to the Ghoul (what a charming description of this creature, I find people such as him quite distasteful and although very dangerous, his own life is worthless. It must be awful to hate others, such as he and his friends do against us. Their thoughts and feelings must be 24/7, which I consider a waste of a life, i.e. to hate. I do detest them for what they are and will have no truck with them and would have no hesitation in defending myself, by any means possible. I am very grateful that he and his ilk have chosen to side with our enemies, as I would really find it most difficult to view him as a friend.
I work part time in a College in order to assist those who require help, including Moslems. By my surname, they are aware that I am Jewish. However, I trreat them no different to anyone else. Is the Ghoul and his followers able to say the same? I doubt it. As the ancient Jewish tradition tells us, to save one life is akin to saving the world. Perhaps the Ghould and his lot might rethink their short lives on earth and ask whether their hatred is worth it?
Ha de godt
Lars Gule
Snøballkrig?
Gule,
So you seem no less a pathetic “somebody” and the hatred inside you, evidenced by your screed, is apparent.
As a humanist, you leave a lot to be desired, as you have apparently lined up on the side of the most reactionary, and abusive and anti-humanist forces on the planet today, bar none!
If your laundry was not so putrid, but it is. That you even try to lecture the anonymous about anything to do with morality is laughable.
So, What do you think of Atzmon? Is he a swell guy?
Martin is bragging about his humanitarian attitudes. Fine. Congratulations to him. But it would be better if he knew what he was commenting about before he writes the shit he does. And it would be nice if the “oh so accurate in reporting” website editors informed people. (But I guess it doesn’t matter when you can puke on your opponents).
Anyway, just a small link, after 9/11: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:syVyDnuepgkJ:www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article196981.ece%3Fservice%3Dbildeviser%26nr%3D0%26felt%3Dbrodtekst+St%C3%A5lsett,+rabbiner,+Gule&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=flock
Lars Gule