kol hakavod, MIFF!
bad google translate, but you get the gist. What a good thing that we have MIFF who push issues and contrasts behaviors!
Completely different attention to Norwegian and Israeli warfare creates hatred
sThe coalition spends tens of millions of dollars to portray Israeli soldiers as war criminals. Norwegian media are keen collaborators and provide massive cover of the conflict. On the other hand, the Norwegian soldiers’ war efforts are met with deafening silence. In ten years the Norwegian forces have killed more Afghans than the number of Palestinians killed by Israeli soldiers during the first and second intifada put together!
By Odd Myrland
Norwegian soldiers have been in Afghanistan for over 10 years. They have been doing something that Norwegian authorities continues to insist is not war. The preferred narrative from the government’s side is how much Norwegian soldiers have been helping The authorities have first been talking about how much our soldiers have helped the Afghan civilians.
But this week, the Afghanistan Study [PDF from forvaret.no] has been published. It’s obviously not about what’s happened with Afghans, either civil or military. It’s about the mental health of the Norwegian soldiers. This is a very big and important topic, but it continues the Norwegian trend with an almost total lack of interest in the fate of the Norwegian soldiers Afghan enemies, or Afghan civilians who happened to be in the way of a bullet, a grenade or a bomb.
Although the survey was prepared by the Office of psychiatry and stress in the military, the survey possibly says more about how Norway has waged war than much else.
In total, more than 4053 of the 7232 Norwegian soldiers responded to the survey. This is the total number who have served in Afghanistan in the period 2001-2011. Some of the respondents wrote on anonymous online debates that they have not always stated what they really meant in the survey citing that they had to provide so much personal information that they did not find the privacy well enough protected.
But we assume that they responded reasonably appropriate to the questions we will look at in this article. It is likely that questions about their own mental health that they have provided somewhat “improved” versions which, according to what they themselves suggest.
The authors of the report argue that the 43.3 percent who have not responded, would have responded similarly. We have therefore included all 7232 soldiers in the numbers we use. It also has reporters Eystein Rossum and Christina Pletten written in articles in Bergens Tidende . Norwegian soldiers in Afghanistan may have taken thousands of lives, they wrote in an article on the 19th of February 2013.
On the radio program Here and Now at 19, NRK P1 February 2013, it was estimated that the Norwegian soldiers have killed at least 2,000, possibly upwards of 4,000. In comparison, approximately. 3900 Palestinians, terrorists and civilians, have beenkilled by Israeli security forces in the 16-year period from 1987 to 2003. During ten years in Afghanistan, Norwegian forces have killed about as many Afghans as the total number of Palestinians killed during the first and second intifada put together!
Victims of Israel and victims of Norway
As Israel wages war, it’s a number of organizations that examine every victim, if the Israelis used the stronger weapons than necessary, if it had not been possible to be more careful about the attack was necessary. It will not take much time before we are talking about war crimes. As MIFF revealed in a separate article on 20 February 2013 the Norwegian government pays significant amounts to such Israeli organizations. Also international and Palestinian organizations whose main purpose is to denounce Israeli soldiers for the smallest misdemeanors get tens of millions of dollars in funding.
These 2-4000 Afghans killed by Norwegian soldiers, no one cares about. Or can anyone tell me what investigations have been made of each skirmish and how the war was conducted there?
The difference between the immense eagerness to document and prosecute Israeli soldiers and the total lack of zeal against Western troops are otherwise extremely striking. The effect becomes extreme misconceptions among large parts of the Norwegian people – such as that 4 in 10 believe Israel treats Palestinians as bad as the Jews were treated during 2 World War. The effect becomes Israel-hatred, and thus hatred of Jews, and I can hardly see other possible motives than those which govern this sick priorities – in spending and media coverage – must be driven by fervent hatred.
Violations of the laws of war
When asked about the Norwegian soldiers have witnessed brutality against civilians, prisoners and detainees, as many as 19 percent yes. This corresponds to 1370 Norwegian soldiers. I assume it is Norway and our allies who have perpetrated these possible violations of laws of war. One percent, 72 soldiers, have seen brutality against civilians 12-50 times.
42 percent say they have seen things that are morally questionable. (It is also well understood that it comes from “our” side.) 11 percent say they have been involved in things that were morally questionable.
Obsessive scrutiny against Israel, total indifference to our own
Norwegian authorities spend large amounts to pay Israelis to identify and report on Israeli soldiers, settlers and others who do such things against Palestinians. I have not registered any Norwegian organization similar to Breaking the silence and the like, despite the fact that this study proves that there is many a claim that could be launched against western soldiers as well.
Compare and contrast: The Norwegian government gives big money to those who can expose any Israeli violation of the laws of war. The same government provides zero dollars to disclose violations perpetrated by Norwegian and Allied troops.
When was the last time you heard about Norwegian soldiers on trial for war crimes? Or Allied soldiers? Or even an investigation?
It is a question whether or not the Palestinian Muslim reporter Khaled Abu Toameh was right when gave a speech to the British Parliament; I find few Europeans who will really help the Palestinians. What they want is to be against Israel.
The Israelis should receive equal treatment
Should we ignore any war crimes committed by Israeli soldiers? No, we support that Israeli soldiers should be treated equal to Norwegian, Danish, British, American, French etc. soldiers, Western soldiers. Actions that have led to the punishment of those soldiers should lead to similar punishment for Israel. But having one set of rules for Israelis and no rules at all for others is simply Jew hatred.
The major Norwegian media (NRK, and the biggest newspapers in the lead) which do not investigate the episodes Norwegian soldiers have participated in and given witness about, has in reality given up any moral right to criticize Israel.
But now the Western troops soon are withdrawn. Then we have to forget this as soon as possible so that we can continue to give people the impression that the Israelis are just like the Nazis, while all other warfare is far more humanitarian.
“Over Proportional strength”
The Armed Forces’ Survey was presented on Monday. So far we have only noted that Bergens Tidende (and on the basis of BT-posting here and now in NRK) have seized on what Norwegian soldiers collectively reveal about the Norwegian war effort. BT has spoken to a member of parliament who was surprised by the high numbers.
- We have seen the numbers in the study, and they must speak for themselves. But there is no doubt that there has been intense and tough fighting. Ten Norwegians’s have also been killed in Afghanistan, said Maj. Christian Øverli the Defense Ministry in the article where BT calculates the high death toll. Many Europeans condemn Israel on the basis of the ratio of fatalities on the Palestinian and Israeli side. It seems clear that Norway is much worse, and is not afraid to use “the proportional strength”.
As far as we can see there are no other Norwegian media or politicians who find reason to question the high number of Afghan casualties as Norwegian soldiers say they have caused. When the matter came up in a parliamentary question on 20 February, it was, according to BT’s abstracts, not thousands of Afghan lives that has caused the debate, however, whether the study was conducted well enough.
It is outrageous to record the total indifference that Norwegian authorities and the media to represent the majority of Norwegian soldiers have done in Afghanistan, in comparison with the huge interest in the same show for the victims of Israel’s war.
Norway wars just like Israel
Norwegian leaders have repeatedly condemned Israel for air attacks against enemy leaders in urban areas. A new book reveals that a Norwegian officer pointed out a supposedly civilian targets – a hotel – for bombing by NATO. Israeli officers being tried on trial for war crimes, Norwegian officer is honored as a war hero.
Norway wars just like Israel II
As new information about Norwegian military action in Afghanistan is revealed in new books, the hypocrisy of former Norwegian criticism of Israel’s “excessive use of force” and “disproportionate warfare” becomes increasingly evident.
What NRK and NTB have never told you about the Gaza war
In all wars, and especially in the wars between regular military forces and guerrillas hiding in the population, is unfortunately affected civilians. When Israel strikes back against terrorists in the Gaza Strip, it is done with more care than almost any other country would do.