Holocaust memorial day lends itself to Israel-bashing

lifted from miff.no, google translate

Professor calls Israel a “rogue state” in commemoration of the Holocaust

Professor Bernt Hagtvet stunned listeners when he gave a speech in Trondheim on Wednesday 27 January.
Geir Knutsen
01.02.2016 9:02
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International Holocaust Remembrance Day was marked on Wednesday 27 January.
In Trondheim the Jewish community, the Jewish cultural centre and the Jewish museum invited the public to an event at the  public library. Around 80 people were present.
Professor Bernt Hagtvet from the University of Oslo was one of four speakers, as well as former foreign and defense minister Thorvald Stoltenberg from the Labour Party, State Secretary Anne Karin Olli Conservative in Ministry of Local Government and Regional Development and Research Fellow Vibeke Moe from Norwegian Center for Studies of Holocaust and Religious Minorities ( HL-center).
Professor Hagtvedt was one of the main speakers. He was presented by the Chairman as “political science professor, writer, participant in political debate and with special focus on human rights studies, extreme political movements, democracy and poverty studies, among other things.”
Hagtvedt introduced himself by saying that he belongs to a dying breed. He continued:
“The ancient dinosaurs died out because they had small brains, but today’s professors die out because they have large brains.” This was the excuse for why he would use the old technology with slides and an overhead projector for visual aid for the lecture.
Having talked for about 30 minutes on the Holocaust and anti-Semitism around the time of the First and Second World War, Hagtvedt found it pertinent to criticise Israel. “The big brain” got up to say:
“Israel does terrible things to Palestinians. It’s the elephant in the room. Nobody says that Norwegian Jews be made responsible for the state of Israel’s policies just as those who criticize the state of Israel policy ought not to be called anti-Semites, but it is a deep tragedy that the government that was created to prevent the kind of identification, the type of repression, has become the Jewish state of Israel. It is a tragedy without equal. And I think I hear a little too little about this from the Jews themselves. I think it must be said. It is a tragedy without equal what is happening in Palestine and it is clear the right-wing Zionist right that is responsible for it. ”
Then came the evening’s most ferocious attack:
“All the Israeli left is gone and we are dealing with an expansive rogue state which is a tragedy for the Jews!”
To speak of the world’s only Jewish state in such a way, reveals that the professor does not have a clue about the Israeli reality. It is clear that he totally lacks understanding or knowledge of the rationale of the Israeli authorities’ decision that they – and many other experts – believe is morally right and in accordance with international law.
It may not be that difficult – not even for a professor who makes presentations with overhead view foils – to obtain some knowledge of Israel so that he will be able to understand that such a characterization is completely ridiculous and false. That a professor said such a thing deserves really just following sentence: Shameful and embarrassing!
The Chair opened for comments and questions after the lecture. Several listeners criticized Hagtvedt shocking, untrue and unfair characterization of Israel as “rogue state.”
But rather than apologise Hagtvedt continued his attack on Israel by saying the following:
“A government that systematically ignores UN resolutions and occupies another country, who set up house there all the time and whose treatment of the Palestinians verges on the racist. Go there for yourself and see how border checkpoints treat pregnant women. Its a letdown without equal and is extra tragic because the Israeli left has become so weak. ”
The Chair then said that this was not the right meeting for a discussion on the Middle East d. Then it was time for the last presenter, Fellow Vibeke Moe from Holocaust Center in Oslo.
She focused in her presentation on anti-Semitism in Europe today, with particular emphasis on Norway.
In the introduction compared Moe an anti-Semitic utterance in one of Aftenposten editorials from the interwar period with anti-Semitic remarks of the present. She mentioned specifically the Norwegian man who was recently convicted in Oslo District Court for Jew hate on his own blog.
She also talked about the HL-center study from 2012 about anti-Semitic attitudes in Norway and that it showed that it is most anti Semitism among people with the strongest commitment to the Palestinians.
Vibeke Moe mentioned Professor Trond Andresen at NTNU and the poster he carried the 1st May Parade in 2015. As an example of how attitudes to Israel directly influences the attitudes towards Jews, she quoted the following text, written by Andresen: “I am Palestinian supporter and have been there since the 70s. I think the problem down there is not resolved unless the Jews as a group begin to scrutinize their own problematic group moves. We have criticized the authorities for 70 years without it has helped at all. They get away with everything. It is time to ask why Jews are loyal to this regime. ”
She continued: “The statement is anti-Semitic because he essentialises Jews. He thinks that the Jews have some common traits that are negative. In addition, this is a textbook example of a total confusion between Israel and Jews. And it mentions Jewish loyalty. Classic anti-Semitic accusation against Jews that they are not loyal to the nation they live in. ”
At that time there were probably several people in the audience who thought Trond Andresen antisemitic statements resembled  Professor Hagtvedt’s statement to a tee, expressed just half an hour earlier, that the Jews should criticize Israel more.
It might be interesting to hear Professor Hagtvedt explain what attitudes he really has to Jews who support Israel and the attitude he has for those he describes as right-wing Zionists? The audience did not get any such clarification from the professor.

Rogue Stat lie
Let’s be clear: Israel is no rogue state. The first Zionists bought land. Zionists also focused on rehabilitating areas that were abandoned and perceived as useless. They made the desert bloom, they emptied the swamp fields of water, created water channels, cultivated barren lands, planted forests, removed stones and salt from the soil. Jewish recycling and renovation work meant that the number of deaths caused by the disease fell sharply in the area.
Jews amounted to 2 per cent of the population in the Arab world around 1948. Israel represents less than 0.2 percent of the area of ​​the Arab countries. In 1948 almost one million Jews had been pushed and chased out of the Arab countries. Almost no one is left. Israel has become a safe haven for most. A minority of 2 percent has been chased out of the Arab world and concentrated in a small area of ​​land the size of a Norwegian county – in area ten times smaller than the minority would be able to claim a right to if different ethnic and religious groups in the Middle East and North Africa got their own lands.
Israel has repeatedly offered to pay full compensation to the Arabs who have lost property. The condition is that the Jews from Arab countries receive compensation. According to Israeli estimates, the Jews left more property in Arab and other Muslim countries than Arabs left in  Israel. And in addition, the Jews were deprived of a lot of property in European and other countries. The ones Hagtvedt accuse of being thieves would do rather in a fair settlement of claims!
It is unclear whether the “big brain” knows that virtually all Jews who have lived in the Arab region (12,111,798 square kilometers) is displaced therefrom. He looks obviously more problematic that the Jews refuse to expel the last 21,502 square kilometers (just under 0.2% of the traditional Arab area). That the Jews are expelled from 99.8% of “the Arab homeland”, has apparently nothing to say.

Tragedies in perspective
Hagtvedt claimed “it is a tragedy without equal what is happening in Palestine.” Does the “big brain” completely lack a global understanding or is it ok to lie when you can blame the Zionist right-wing?
Hagtvedt also claimed that Israel “builds houses [the West Bank] all the time.” He forgot to mention that Israeli settlements – after almost 50 years of construction – constitutes 3 percent of the West Bank. The day the Palestinians are willing to accept a Jewish state, it is possible to find solutions that clarify the boundaries. Until now, the Palestinians rejected two states if one is to remain Jewish.

MIFF quotes from Hagtvedt lectures are transcripts from audio recordings.
Conrad Myrland contributed to this article.

24 comments for “Holocaust memorial day lends itself to Israel-bashing

  1. motti
    February 7, 2016 at 6:50 am

    What on earth was the Jewish community thinking of? Do they not investigate the people they invite to talk? Madness. And this on the very day to commemerate 6 million Jews slaughtered by Europeans. When will the Jerwish communities become more aggressive to these Nazi and Fascist morons?
    By the same token, when will Israel begin to ensure the security of it’s military by offering body armour? That will surely help to keep te numbers down of murdered Jews by the West Bank Arabs/
    When will Israel take a tougher line againsat these Norwegian allies whose sole intent is to clear the Land of Israel of Jews? This attitude of “Slaughter the Jews is nothing new either in pre war Israel and since and in the many Muslim countries that Jews lived? Periodically, small scale murder of Jews was carried out by their Muslim masters when it suited their purpose.

  2. Herbie
    February 7, 2016 at 8:25 am

    GOOD QUESTIONS

  3. Eric R.
    February 7, 2016 at 2:03 pm

    Jews in Europe should hold private Shoah ceremonies for Jews and friends of Israel only, and shun the official ceremonies. They should also, in their private ceremonies, bash the European media and “elites”.

  4. Herbie
    February 8, 2016 at 9:08 am

    No; Eric that is not a solution and creates greater problems in my view. Better to confront the issuses head on.

  5. motti
    February 8, 2016 at 10:11 am

    There really is some selfdefeatist attitude with some Jews that borders on paranoia and suicide.
    Just learned on Israel army radio an announcer has compared Israel and the terrorists in trying to regain bodies of fallen soldiers.

    One good spectre though at the moment in the USA and that is all the Republicans appears to be pro Israel. Sanders is also critical and I don’t trust at all Clinton, so much ofr the Demoicrats and the Jews vote for the aletter. so it’s it’s not just Europe and Israel that are sick.
    but what do I know of US politics?

    I have actually called for what you suggest Eric, including on this very site. We should totally ignore the International event, as the crocodile tears dropping from the eyes of the Jew/Israel haters is fraudelent and devious. As the date also includes other mass murders, it is not just a Jewish event at all.
    We have our own Yom HaShoah wich falleso n Erev Wed 4th May/5th
    And if you wish to light a candle as well for the fallen Israelis erev Yom HaZikharon is Tuesday 10 May.
    Let the Goyim “celebrate” International Holocauist Day while we commemerate our own slaughtered and fallen people without their comparing the difference between the murdred Socialist youngsters on Uteya and those murdered during the ongoing terror attacks against Jews. Oh yes, the bastard is now head of NZTO. What the hell is wrong with the US in awarding a socialist Norwegian this title? Utter madness. No wonder Putin knows he can get away with everything, except his dealing with Israel. perhaps

  6. Eric R.
    February 8, 2016 at 10:15 am

    Off topic, but in a way not really, as it is about the fall of the West:

    This is without question the greatest moment in American Sports history:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYscemhnf88

    I shed tears every time I look at it.

    That was in 1980. Remember, that was a semi-final game, we had to beat Finland for the gold medal in the final.

    In 2014 at Sochi, the USA was walloped by Finland 5-0 in the bronze medal game. My reaction? Meh! After 6 years of the Islamo-Marxo-fascist Obama and 40+ years of relentless cultural control by the Gramscian Communists, it really didn’t feel like my country anymore.

    I would still root for us to defeat Russia, but today, I wouldn’t lose sleep if we lost.

  7. Jim
    February 8, 2016 at 12:15 pm

    Nothing has changed in Norway – always will be hating Jews. Norwegians collaborated with the Nazis, readily sent their Jews on boats in 1942/1943 to Auschwitz and when those who ran away to Sweden came back home, their belongings were no where to be found as they were stolen by their “good” Norwegian “friends.” Anti-semitism has been prevalent throughout Norwegian history and has now taken the form of bashing Israel which is now being used to bash Jews for daring to support Israel. If this so-called jackass of a Professor thinks that the small amount of Norwegian Jewry is responsible for the actions of the Democratically elected State of Israel, then he must be spending too much time in Stavanger eating thick oil instead of fish. This jerk Hagtvedt needs to be fired from whatever alleged university he is employed at and owes the entire Jewish community an apology. Hagtvedt showed that he is a moron, bigot and an open anti-Semite with his words. Perhaps one of Hagtvedt’s relatives was part of the thug Quisling’s gang who was a lackey of Hitler.

    Hagtvedt: Were you always this stupid? Or were you born stupid? Perhaps Hagtvedt needs to spend sometime visiting Arab countries to witness the persecution of Arabs by their feudal Kings. And ask Muslim women how did they enjoy having their vagina removed at the age of 15 being held down by a group of men? Why doesn’t Hagtvedt give a speech like this at the Saudi Embassy in Olso? Cause he’s a coward.

  8. February 9, 2016 at 12:31 am

    Totally off topic. Not even remotely connected. But still an amazing game. Not that I would care. Anything that involves a ball or a puck that needs kicking around inspires me to want to pluck my eyes out of the scull. Apart from rugby, you know the real manly sport where men are men and not little football wusses… well that makes me teary eyed as well…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTwbKryrhks
    which brings me to my question…. whats the deal with all those pom-poms? Frankly, most of them look as someone who didn’t quite make it through the x-factor auditions but won’t take no for an answer? I though Crissie Hynde was pretty spot on when she gave most female singers a walloping

  9. Eric R.
    February 9, 2016 at 3:57 am

    “No; Eric that is not a solution and creates greater problems in my view. Better to confront the issuses head on.”

    I believe that the Jewish community publicly boycotting a state-sponsored event to denounce the hypoccrisy and Jew-hatred of that particular government and its media is a rather visible way to confront the issue head on.

    Attending the official event and meekly going along is NOT confronting the issue head on.

    You want to get the attention of the Dutch? Hold a private Shoah ceremony and invite Geert Wilders as your speaker. In England, invite Nigel Farage (Motti can send the invite). France is so far gone and so f***ed up, I don’t know if there is even anyone to invite, except somebody to encourage aliyah.

  10. motti
    February 9, 2016 at 5:15 am

    Well to continue the off topic subjects.

    When I lived in Toronto, I used to watch the Maple Leaf’s play les Canadiens (montreal), boston Bruins, NY Rangers etc. Even earlier in the UK I used to watch the Harringay /Racers. Of course, most of the players were Canadian. A greta mans’ game.
    and Prof, I do agree with Crissie Hynde. I know sex sells, but this is ridiculous. When the videos started within the pop music, I told my then youg daughters, close your eyes and just listen. It it sounds good to you, then it is good. They actually grew up liking the oldies music. I used to say that if you can’t whistle the tune, it ain’t music.

    Eric, Surely the USA’s greatest upset of all time must have been in 1950 during the World Cup. The American amateurs were playing so called professionals from England and beat them 1-0. Actually the so called professionals were little more than badly paid amateurs themselvesd. But even so, it was a great shockj to the system, only made worse for England when they lost to magic Hungarian team years later. You must understand that the English team were the real showstoppers in their day.

  11. motti
    February 9, 2016 at 5:19 am

    Jim, welcome, I agree 100% with you. Have stated it before many times and repeat it again here. Israel should stop diplomatuic relations with Norway and Sweden. any realtime inytelligence that Israel gives to the USA, and she does, should go no furter. Especially to the Jew hating countries which includes Norge og Sverige.

    In fact the EU should be another!

  12. Eric R.
    February 9, 2016 at 3:16 pm

    Motti:

    Soccer will become a major sport in America only because of the large and growing Hispanic population, even though it is most popular in upper class liberal/left suburbs where moms don’t want their poor little overprotected boys from playing a rough, real man’s (redneck) game like American football. But it was not popular in 1950 and thus is not a well known upset now.

    Perhaps the most forgotten great upset by an American team was the first “miracle on ice”. You see, Lake Placid in 1980 was not the first time that the USA upset the USSR in hockey at a Winter Olympics on American soil; it also happened at the 1960 Winter Games in Squaw Valley, California. I was not old enough to remember that one, but Herb was – Herb, do you remember that original upset?

  13. de Bacle
    February 9, 2016 at 3:49 pm

    Eric: “I believe that the Jewish community publicly boycotting … is a rather visible way to confront the issue head on.”

    I agree, and I think it is important that international Jewry reach a consensus that a Jewish community response less than (something like) this is a betrayal.

    Still, the central issue is that the University Professor is misinformed. He believes what he says. A result of 45 years of media propaganda and daily disinformation. Norway, UK or US, this is global now.
    https://www.algemeiner.com/2016/02/04/media-watchdog-demands-accountability-from-cbs-over-misleading-headline-on-terrorist-attack-even-after-it-was-changed/
    Shameless.

    Jealousy and self righteousness are hallmarks of Norwegian national identity. Both work to fuel antisemitism and are easily exploited. Costs this society nothing.

    In Sweden the Foreign Minister was going to build her career on it. So far, it backfired. Because she was too incompetent and careless. And because of Israel. Israel made it cost. Put a price tag on it. But the Jewish communities have to do their part to make it cost too. Make it visible.

  14. Eric R.
    February 10, 2016 at 2:39 am

    DeBacle:

    Israel did not make Sweden pay a sufficiently high price for the hatred of that filthy, Jew-hating Nazi whore Wallstrom. (I apologize to whores everywhere for comparing them to this depraved, stupid bigot).

    The Israeli ambassador should have been recalled, the Swedish ambassador declared persona non grata and expelled, along with all Swedish journalists and NGO workers. And any Swedish bureaucrat or diplomat with the EU would be denied entry.

  15. February 10, 2016 at 2:57 am

    So why dont you just call her a deprived stupid bigot then?

  16. Eric R.
    February 10, 2016 at 2:42 pm

    “So why dont you just call her a deprived stupid bigot then?”

    Because Wallstrom would consider being called a “depraved stupid bigoted whore” even more insulting than being called just a depraved stupid bigot.

    Actually, because I want to be nice to you, I use “whore” instead of stronger language.

    : )

  17. February 11, 2016 at 12:41 am

    I think you would find a dictionary of Norwegian swear words quite handy, we have the most fascinating assortment of anatomical denominations often in combination with certain animals. I have tried, unsuccessfully alas, to translate some of the more artistic swearing (only found in the Northern part of Norway) into English, without any success. While Norwegians would roll on the floor, and gasp for air, any foreigner just looks grossed out. A shame really, since it would greatly improve other countries’s swearing. When the blood is boiling and you really feel like gutting somebody, just shouting “whore” seems such a let down. No steam actually being let out….

  18. Eric R.
    February 12, 2016 at 6:34 am

    Three cheers for this Jew-hating rag ceasing publication:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/12153947/The-Independent-newspaper-confirms-an-end-to-print-production.html

    Now if only the Guardian, Aftonbladet, Aftonposten, LeMonde, El Pais – heck, if only every other Western and Central European propaganda rag would close down with it.

  19. Herbie
    February 13, 2016 at 11:33 am
  20. Dov
    February 13, 2016 at 2:41 pm

    Seems Norway Sweden , a lost case as far as Israel concerned. So be it. Once it bothered me. Today, good riddance to bad rubbish.
    Denmark, Finland somewhat better

  21. motti
    February 16, 2016 at 10:33 am

    Yes, western European countries are worse than those of eastern Europe.
    However, as bas as all these countries are, the very worst enemy is the enemy within. Not just elements of the Arab population, probably the majority, but those who rely on foreign countris to fund their hate of Israel.
    I am sure those fascist leftwing Jews would much prefer to live in Hebron, Ramallah etc than to be in Tel Aviv

  22. Herbie
    February 16, 2016 at 2:26 pm

    The Palestinian regime in Ramallah pays monthly stipends of between $400 and $3,500 to terrorists and their families, the latter of which is more than five times the average monthly salary of a Palestinian worker.
    According to data from its budgetary reports, compiled in June 2014 by Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the PA’s annual budget for supporting Palestinian terrorists was then roughly $75 million. That amounted to some 16% of the foreign donations the PA received annually. 
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/where-does-all-that-aid-for-palestinians-go-1453669813

  23. motti
    February 17, 2016 at 10:18 am

    Herbie, remember that Arafat’s widow, Suha received an annual stipend of $16million to remain on the island of Malta and to keep schtum, which she did. Now she has amnassed a huge dowry, She left Malta for the trappings of the French Riviera and called for her paedophile husband’s remains to be examined for poisoning. The French confirmed that he was not poisoned. She, the Christian bitch faithful to ther Luslim call of slaughter the Kews continues to lead a life of luxury thanks to the largest terror groups’s admirers around the world

  24. motti
    February 17, 2016 at 5:50 pm

    Just noticed article on the website of our friends @ MIFF. The Norwegian Film Festival has boycotted the Isareli film “The Other Dreamers” which is about Israeli children with special needs The Festival will only allow Israeli films that deal with the “occupation.” This is yet another example of the obscene minds of these Norwegian degenerates.
    The film is to be shown at a cinema in Oslo with an introduction by the Israeli Deputy Ambasssador and Anne Sender former chair of the Jewish community in Oslo. Surely, the community might have sent a more empathic figure instead of her. No doubt she will some place for some non empathic statement regarding Israel’s Jews and her neighbours. Duplicity is the word that springs to mind.

    Why Israel retains diplomatic relations with Norway and Sweden is quite beyond me. Israel really needs to show a as much aggression towards those who are aggressive to her. Who the hell needs these two countries? Even the EU has backed down with labelling of Israeli products from over the green line.Believe it or not, it is the western Europeans that are more anti-Israel than those in eastern Europe.

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