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Professor calls Israel a “rogue state” in commemoration of the Holocaust
Professor Bernt Hagtvet stunned listeners when he gave a speech in Trondheim on Wednesday 27 January.
International Holocaust Remembrance Day was marked on Wednesday 27 January.
In Trondheim the Jewish community, the Jewish cultural centre and the Jewish museum invited the public to an event at the public library. Around 80 people were present.
Professor Bernt Hagtvet from the University of Oslo was one of four speakers, as well as former foreign and defense minister Thorvald Stoltenberg from the Labour Party, State Secretary Anne Karin Olli Conservative in Ministry of Local Government and Regional Development and Research Fellow Vibeke Moe from Norwegian Center for Studies of Holocaust and Religious Minorities ( HL-center).
Professor Hagtvedt was one of the main speakers. He was presented by the Chairman as “political science professor, writer, participant in political debate and with special focus on human rights studies, extreme political movements, democracy and poverty studies, among other things.”
Hagtvedt introduced himself by saying that he belongs to a dying breed. He continued:
“The ancient dinosaurs died out because they had small brains, but today’s professors die out because they have large brains.” This was the excuse for why he would use the old technology with slides and an overhead projector for visual aid for the lecture.
Having talked for about 30 minutes on the Holocaust and anti-Semitism around the time of the First and Second World War, Hagtvedt found it pertinent to criticise Israel. “The big brain” got up to say:
“Israel does terrible things to Palestinians. It’s the elephant in the room. Nobody says that Norwegian Jews be made responsible for the state of Israel’s policies just as those who criticize the state of Israel policy ought not to be called anti-Semites, but it is a deep tragedy that the government that was created to prevent the kind of identification, the type of repression, has become the Jewish state of Israel. It is a tragedy without equal. And I think I hear a little too little about this from the Jews themselves. I think it must be said. It is a tragedy without equal what is happening in Palestine and it is clear the right-wing Zionist right that is responsible for it. ”
Then came the evening’s most ferocious attack:
“All the Israeli left is gone and we are dealing with an expansive rogue state which is a tragedy for the Jews!”
To speak of the world’s only Jewish state in such a way, reveals that the professor does not have a clue about the Israeli reality. It is clear that he totally lacks understanding or knowledge of the rationale of the Israeli authorities’ decision that they – and many other experts – believe is morally right and in accordance with international law.
It may not be that difficult – not even for a professor who makes presentations with overhead view foils – to obtain some knowledge of Israel so that he will be able to understand that such a characterization is completely ridiculous and false. That a professor said such a thing deserves really just following sentence: Shameful and embarrassing!
The Chair opened for comments and questions after the lecture. Several listeners criticized Hagtvedt shocking, untrue and unfair characterization of Israel as “rogue state.”
But rather than apologise Hagtvedt continued his attack on Israel by saying the following:
“A government that systematically ignores UN resolutions and occupies another country, who set up house there all the time and whose treatment of the Palestinians verges on the racist. Go there for yourself and see how border checkpoints treat pregnant women. Its a letdown without equal and is extra tragic because the Israeli left has become so weak. ”
The Chair then said that this was not the right meeting for a discussion on the Middle East d. Then it was time for the last presenter, Fellow Vibeke Moe from Holocaust Center in Oslo.
She focused in her presentation on anti-Semitism in Europe today, with particular emphasis on Norway.
In the introduction compared Moe an anti-Semitic utterance in one of Aftenposten editorials from the interwar period with anti-Semitic remarks of the present. She mentioned specifically the Norwegian man who was recently convicted in Oslo District Court for Jew hate on his own blog.
She also talked about the HL-center study from 2012 about anti-Semitic attitudes in Norway and that it showed that it is most anti Semitism among people with the strongest commitment to the Palestinians.
Vibeke Moe mentioned Professor Trond Andresen at NTNU and the poster he carried the 1st May Parade in 2015. As an example of how attitudes to Israel directly influences the attitudes towards Jews, she quoted the following text, written by Andresen: “I am Palestinian supporter and have been there since the 70s. I think the problem down there is not resolved unless the Jews as a group begin to scrutinize their own problematic group moves. We have criticized the authorities for 70 years without it has helped at all. They get away with everything. It is time to ask why Jews are loyal to this regime. ”
She continued: “The statement is anti-Semitic because he essentialises Jews. He thinks that the Jews have some common traits that are negative. In addition, this is a textbook example of a total confusion between Israel and Jews. And it mentions Jewish loyalty. Classic anti-Semitic accusation against Jews that they are not loyal to the nation they live in. ”
At that time there were probably several people in the audience who thought Trond Andresen antisemitic statements resembled Professor Hagtvedt’s statement to a tee, expressed just half an hour earlier, that the Jews should criticize Israel more.
It might be interesting to hear Professor Hagtvedt explain what attitudes he really has to Jews who support Israel and the attitude he has for those he describes as right-wing Zionists? The audience did not get any such clarification from the professor.
Rogue Stat lie
Let’s be clear: Israel is no rogue state. The first Zionists bought land. Zionists also focused on rehabilitating areas that were abandoned and perceived as useless. They made the desert bloom, they emptied the swamp fields of water, created water channels, cultivated barren lands, planted forests, removed stones and salt from the soil. Jewish recycling and renovation work meant that the number of deaths caused by the disease fell sharply in the area.
Jews amounted to 2 per cent of the population in the Arab world around 1948. Israel represents less than 0.2 percent of the area of the Arab countries. In 1948 almost one million Jews had been pushed and chased out of the Arab countries. Almost no one is left. Israel has become a safe haven for most. A minority of 2 percent has been chased out of the Arab world and concentrated in a small area of land the size of a Norwegian county – in area ten times smaller than the minority would be able to claim a right to if different ethnic and religious groups in the Middle East and North Africa got their own lands.
Israel has repeatedly offered to pay full compensation to the Arabs who have lost property. The condition is that the Jews from Arab countries receive compensation. According to Israeli estimates, the Jews left more property in Arab and other Muslim countries than Arabs left in Israel. And in addition, the Jews were deprived of a lot of property in European and other countries. The ones Hagtvedt accuse of being thieves would do rather in a fair settlement of claims!
It is unclear whether the “big brain” knows that virtually all Jews who have lived in the Arab region (12,111,798 square kilometers) is displaced therefrom. He looks obviously more problematic that the Jews refuse to expel the last 21,502 square kilometers (just under 0.2% of the traditional Arab area). That the Jews are expelled from 99.8% of “the Arab homeland”, has apparently nothing to say.
Tragedies in perspective
Hagtvedt claimed “it is a tragedy without equal what is happening in Palestine.” Does the “big brain” completely lack a global understanding or is it ok to lie when you can blame the Zionist right-wing?
Hagtvedt also claimed that Israel “builds houses [the West Bank] all the time.” He forgot to mention that Israeli settlements – after almost 50 years of construction – constitutes 3 percent of the West Bank. The day the Palestinians are willing to accept a Jewish state, it is possible to find solutions that clarify the boundaries. Until now, the Palestinians rejected two states if one is to remain Jewish.
MIFF quotes from Hagtvedt lectures are transcripts from audio recordings.
Conrad Myrland contributed to this article.