The Church of Norway fears Jewish Israel

Unlike in the UK, where of late there is a debate about the increasingly anti-Semitic Labour party, in Norway it is still perfectly normal to vomit outrageous antisemitic rubbish, even pontificated from the Church of Norway’s pulpits and elected leaders. From priests such as Sunniva Gylver and Leif Magne Helgesen, who openly call for boycott of Israel, claiming Israel is evicting Palestinians from their state (which state is that?), while studiously ignoring Palestinian hate speech, terror attacks (they must be understood since Israel is cruel) – via bishops who refuse to give lectures in chapels adorned with with flag of Israel, while ignoring other churches in his diocese who arrange ceremonies for the dead children in Gaza and plaster the church walls with multiple “Palestinian” flags – to the General Secretary of the Ecumenical Council, who professes that she fears an Israeli Jewish state. It doesn’t get much more offensive and tragic. Still the people of the Church of Norway like to insist that they are Israel’s best friends and that their attitude to Jews is unproblematic.

 

Lifted from miff.no (google translate)

Does the Church of Norway really fear that Israel is ‘Jewish state’?

Berit Hagen Agøy, secretary general of the Ecumenical Council, shocks again.
Conrad Myrland
03/16/2016 1:03 p.m.

On March 8th, wrote Berit Hagen Agøy, secretary general of the Ecumenical Council, in a commentary in Vårt Land  where she defends the Council’s action plan for the church’s Middle East strategy. Agøy concludes his article as follows:
“The occupation deprives Palestinians of basic human rights. We are also concerned about developments in Israel. If the country becomes a ‘Jewish state’, we fear that it will reinforce discrimination and segregation and undermine Israeli democracy. ”
If Israel becomes a ‘Jewish state’? Israel has been a Jewish state since 1948. Agøy should start by reading UN Resolution 181 of 29 November 1947. There the term Jewish state is used 30 times. Better yet, look up the League of Nations mandate from 1922! Agøy should also read Israel’s Declaration of Independence. “The Jewish people have, like all other people, a natural right to be masters of their own destiny in their own state,” David Ben-Gurion proclaimed. “The State of Israel will be open for Jewish immigration and for gathering the Jews in exile.”
Agøy’s article evokes memories of when she called to me in 2011. The Secretary-General did not appreciate criticism from MIFF. Also at that time Agøy expressed resistance against Israel to be a Jewish state – she did not appreciate “states with a religious identity”. At that time I did not believe my own ears. It has since dawned on me that the Church of Norway’s  foremost foreign policy spokesman actually means what she said. On March 8, the confirmation came in black and white.
In all Arab constitutions from after WW2, except Lebanon and also Saudi Arabia (where the Qur’an is the Constitution), Islam is the declared state religion. The draft Constitution for Palestine, which is the applicable law for the Palestinian Authority, emphasises that the government should be Arabic and Islamic.
Agøy fears that Israel will become more discriminating and less democratic. Such a concern is of course completely legitimate, and we share it for all states. That said, the Secretary-General ought to ask herself why Israel has been preserved as a free democracy for almost 70  years despite major external and internal pressure than any other comparable country. Is it because of the state’s Jewish character, or in spite of? If she compares with discrimination, segregation and democracy in the non-Jewish neighbours, she can find  some answers.
Agøy and the Ecumenical Council   cheer a Palestinian state, which would be Arab and Muslim ( “with sharia as the basis for legislation”), but she fears a ‘Jewish state’. The Ecumenical Council embraces Arab state number 22 and Muslim state number 57, but denies Israel to be a Jewish state. Where are the bishops and priests who follow their Master – and shout “hypocrisy” when it stares you in the eye?

12 comments for “The Church of Norway fears Jewish Israel

  1. motti
    March 17, 2016 at 4:27 pm

    What a perverted moron. If this idiot is representative of Norwegian Christianity, I can well understand why the churches are empty and Islam will soon be state religion.

  2. Dov
    March 18, 2016 at 7:37 am

    Stupid Norwegian Lutheran morons.
    Actually this is an offence to morons!

  3. Eric R.
    March 19, 2016 at 4:07 pm

    This left-wing insanity is certainly not limited to Scandinavian churches.

    It is interesting to note that as traditional Protestant churches (Methodist, Lutheran, Anglican, Presbyterian) move to the left, they get into a vicious cycle where membership leaves, leaving only leftists, who push the church even farther left, driving out more people, etc. until the churches are just populated by frothing Marxist fanatics.

    Pope Francis had better be careful — if the pushes the RC church leftward like this, Rome is going to also suffer a big loss of members.

  4. March 20, 2016 at 12:32 am

    interesting point. Do you know where the traditional members go? More evangelical churches? No affiliation?
    When I lived in the States, many years ago, I was shocked to find out just how central religion and church is for mainstream Americans. I try to imagine how small town America works without the church as an institution. My own friends have not changed that radically over the years and FB discussions reveal that they are just as passionate about religion as before, so the questions is: Where do Americans go when they feel the church no longer is the natural place for worship?

  5. Eric R.
    March 20, 2016 at 1:58 am

    McG:

    There are several answers to your question:

    a) Many go to Evangelical/Pentecostal churches, the type that Democrats/Socialists/Leftist elites love to make fun of. And it is just not Anglo-whites (WASPs, as the phrase goes) doing it. Go into any Hispanic neighborhood, and you will see many “Iglesias de Dios”, “Iglesias Buatistas” and “Iglesias Pentecostal” that have sprung up anywhere from in storefronts to old abandoned synagogues (Jews do not live in Paterson, New Jersey or the south Bronx anymore). This is especially important for the Pope, since he is from Latin America and he hopes that the leftist turn he is taking will keep Latin Americans in the RC Church (Latin America has almost half of the world’s Roman Catholics).

    b) Some go to the Mormons, who actively proselytize on the streets – another group the leftist elites love to hate.

    c) Finally, some of these church members break away and form conservative churches under the same name. Best example is the Lutheran Church here in America – when the “mainline” (original/liberal) Evangelical Lutheran Church of America went leftward, it spawned the much more conservative Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, which I believe has more churches now than the ELCA.

  6. March 20, 2016 at 7:52 am

    I just love the irony. Just give them enough rope and they will hang themselves seems to apply aptly here.
    With regards to CR in Latin/South America… there the church is actually in decline and previously fervent catholic congregations have been abandoned for more pentecostal, evangelical free congregations. Not sure that the leftist gospel is catching on there….
    As for Pope Francis, or Jorge Bergoglio… I have lots of time for him. I think many of his policies are misunderstood as leftist, when in reality they are deeply rooted in his Jesuit tradition. Many critics also dont get the South American perspective that has formed his approach to many very difficult issues. It also does not help that spontaneous comments are wildly taken out of context and twisted and turned into unrecognisable gibberish…

  7. de Bacle
    March 21, 2016 at 4:56 am

    Prof: > Where do Americans go when they feel the church no longer is the natural place for worship?

    And … closer to home, the blatantly antisemitic Swedish Archbishop suggested Crosses be removed or covered up (inside churches) because it could offend muslims who want to attend sermons. (Cross muslims).

  8. motti
    March 22, 2016 at 10:46 am

    Watched Sanders and Cruz on CNN TV. Sanders is a socialist and did not appear to be overly friendly to Israel. Of course as the Jew, he must be impartial. Too bad, Muslims and Christians can’t do the same.
    Cruz on the other hand, well, we have seen pomises before, and of course the State Dept will disallow the embassy being moved to Jersualem. Even so, if I were a Yank, he would have my vote. He appears to be in Regan style, which is what the world needs now. As Thantcher once remarked to Regan, this is no time to start buckling.

  9. Eric R.
    March 23, 2016 at 4:09 pm

    Motti:

    Cruz is my choice too, but time is running out for him. Trump, to his credit, is saying the politically incorrect things about Islam that need to be said, even if it gets our leftist media in a frothing rage.

  10. motti
    March 29, 2016 at 5:13 am

    I returned from a short vacation in Norway to celebrate a family function.

    There is hope on the horizon for decent Norwegians, as few as they might be. I managed to read the daily newspaper Dagen, which is a Christian newspaper and has a monthly coloured magazine titled Israel Today. It is very pro Israel to say the least and is independent certainly from the established church.

    Perhaps the Prof might have seen it when it had later been incorporated with Magasinet and more recently reverted to it’s original name of Dagen, The Day. Although my knowledge of Norwegian is not what it once was, after a day or two I mnaged to hold a proper conversation again and was able to understand the paper and more so the magazine.

    I have the distinct impression that the official church is not so representative of it’s followers, the Evangelical movement there, as it is in the UK is far more pro Israel than the clerics.

  11. Herbie
    April 2, 2016 at 6:55 pm

    I wonder how the Norwegians would like to live like this. http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Home-Front-Command-wants-citizens-to-stock-up-on-emergency-gear-450049

    Cruz is an ideologue, much like Obama, and much like Obama incapable of compromise. The system here does not work well with ideologues.

    While Trump is not a gifted speaker, I find the substance of his position to be pretty good. On a personal note, having negotiated a real estate deal with him a number of years ago, I found him focused and able to make compromises in order to get his objective. In my view he will be able to work effectively with Congress.

  12. Eric R.
    April 5, 2016 at 4:24 pm

    “Cruz is an ideologue, much like Obama, and much like Obama incapable of compromise. The system here does not work well with ideologues.”

    The system here seems to be working well with the Marxist ideologues of the Obama Administration.

    BTW, did you hear about the pundit who compared Obama to Putin?

    Even I think that is outrageous.

    One of these men has totalitarian tendencies and uses the full force of his security services and government bureaucracy, as well as his near total control of the news media, to harrass, intimidate and ultimately silence his opponents….

    And the other guy? Well, he’s just some shmuck in the Kremlin….

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